John Ogilvie – 4th Great Grandfather

John Ogilvie was born 26th May 1805 in the parish Mains and Strathmartine to parents William Ogilvie and Agnes Philp.

Birth Record of John Ogilvie. 26th May 1805.
The parishes of Mains and Strathmartine were united on 21 Nov 1792. Anciently, Mains was called Strathdichty Comitis or Earl’s Strathdichty; Strathmartine (or Strickmartine) was called Strathdichty Martin. The Dichty Water flows through the parishes. Click here for more info.

Although I cannot trace a marriage record, I know John married (or claimed to be married to) Agnes Stewart Edward around 1825-26. To make things even harder to track, Agnes mainly went by the name Stewart Edward.

On 15th March 1826, John and Agnes had their first son, James Ogilvie (my 3rd great grandfather) in Errol, Perthshire. A daughter, Agnes Ogilvie, followed on 7th February 1828 in Inverarity, Forfar. Then another son, John Ogilvie, on 18th December 1829 also in Inverarity, Forfar. David Ogilvie in about 1834 and lastly (that I know of) William Ogilvie in about 1837 in Murroes, Forfar.

The first census available is 1841. The are listed as living at Windy Mill in the Parish of Murroes, Forfar. John is listed as a agricultural labourer. He is living with Agnes and his children – John, William, David and Agnes.

On the 1851 census John and Agnes are listed as living at Craighill Den Cottar Houses in the parish of Mains and Strathmartine with two of their children – Agnes and William. John is again listed as a agricultural labourer.

On the 1861 census they are listed as living at Woee’s Shop in the parish of Tealing with their son William and two grand-daughters – Agnes Law, age 8 and Agnes Mathie, age 1 (Agnes Mathie appears to be the child of John’s daughter, Agnes Ogilvie). John is still an agricultural labourer.

Old map of Tealing parish. Click here for more info.

In 1871 they are both aged 67 and still living in the parish of Tealing at Lumleyden (tollbar). They are now living alone and even at 67 years old, he is still working as an agricultural labourer.

“In the northern end of the parish 
A Toll Bar and Keepers house attached on the Glammiss road at the South end of Lumley Den.” Click here for more info.

The last census I have for John and Agnes is in 1881. The are still living at Lumleyden in Tealing. John is listed as no longer able for work.

John dies just a year later on 13th May 1882, at age 78. Leaving behind his widow Agnes. His occupation is listed as meal-miller and his address as Lumleyden, Tealing. His cause of death is listed as Chronic Bronchitis which he has suffered from for many years. His death was registed by his nephew’s son, Alexander Ogilvie residing at New Finlarg, Tealing.

Death Certificate of John Ogilvie. 13th May 1882.

James ogilvie – 3rd Great Grandfather

James Ogilvie was born 15th March 1826 in Errol, Perthshire and was baptised 26th March 1826. His parents were John Ogilve, a miller at Port Allen, and Agnes Stewart Edward.

Birth Record of James Ogilvie

He met and married Elizabeth Nicoll on 19th October 1849 in Dundee. James is listed as a Flesher.

Marriage Record of James and Elizabeth.

On 6th January, in Dundee, they had their first son, named John. Shortly after the birth of their first child, they can be found on the 1851 census, living at 24 Hawkhill, Chamber’s Land, Dundee. James is still listed as being a Flesher (a Scots term for butcher). They are living with their infant son and a 13 year old servant named Catherine Hutcheson.

On 13th April 1853 they had their second child, another son, called James McLaren Ogilvie (my 2nd Great Grandfather). They had two further children, Mary in 1856 and Margaret Millar in 1859. They can next be found on the 1861 census living at 18 Hawkhill, Dundee with their four children. James is now listed as being a Labourer.

On 15th March 1871, James and Elizabeth had their final child. A little boy names Frank Nicoll Ogilvie in Dundee. On Frank’s birth certificate, James is listed as being a ship-builder’s labourer. Their address is listed as 22 Hawkhill, Dundee.

Frank Nicoll Ogilvie Birth Certificate. 15th March 1871.

James and his family can next be found on the 1871 census, living at 22 Wallace’s Pend, Hawkhill, Dundee. He is still listed as a labourer.

On 14th May 1874, James lost his wife when she was aged just 48. Her cause of death is listed as disease of the heart. On his wife’s death certificate, his occupation is listed as Railway Porter. He is still living at 22 Wallace’s Pend, Hawkhill, Dundee.

Death Certificate of Elizabeth Ogilvie m.s Nicoll. 14th May 1874.

Just 2 years after the death of his wife, James’ youngest son, Frank, dies of bronchitis at just 5 years old.

Frank Nicoll Ogilvie Death Certificate. 24th June 1876.

Sadly, 8 years later on 1st March 1884, aged 57, James died of heart disease in the East Poor House Dundee. Heartbreaking but sadly not unusual for this time.

Death Certificate of James Ogilvie. 1st March 1884.

A very tragic end to a very short life.

James McLaren Ogilvie – 2nd Great Grandfather

James McLaren Ogilvie was born 13th April 1853 in Dundee to parents James Ogilvie and Elizabeth Nicoll. He was baptised 7th May 1853.

Birth Record of James McLaren Ogilvie.

On his birth record his father, James Ogilvie is listed as a Flesher.

The first census he is listed on is in 1861 when he was 8 years old. He is living with his parents and siblings (John, Margaret and Mary) at 18 Hawkhill, Dundee. He is listed as a scholar.

Present day map of Hawkhill, Dundee. You can read about the history of area here.

At age 18 on the 1871 Scotland Census he is still living with his parents and siblings. This time at 22 Wallace Pend, Dundee. Wallace Pend is still in the Hawkhill area of Dundee.

Wallace Pend, Dundee. 1928.

James’ occupation is listed as a Lonter. I’ve no idea if this was an real occupation or just a typo.

On 14th March 1873 James married Janet Ness. They are both listed as living at Wallace Pend, Hawkhill.

Marriage certificate. 14th March 1873.

James’ occupation is listed as a ship-mate rivettor. Janet’s occupation is listed as a Linen Weaver.

The next census in 1881, James is living with his wife and three daughters – Anna, Isabella and Lizzie – at 24 Hawkhill, Whittons Pend, Dundee. James occupation at this time is Boilermaker.

At the north side of Hawkhill 
An arched way or passage leading into an irregular area from the north side of Hawkhill in which are a few dwelling houses.

The next census is 1891. James and Janet are now living at 8 Cherryfield Lane, Dundee. He is still a boilermaker. They are living with their children – Annie, Bella, Lizzie, James, Jessie, Andrew, John and William.

James and Janet had two more children – Stewart in 1893 and then their last child, Charles Buchanan Ogilvie (my great grandfather).

Janet and the children are listed on the next census in 1901, living at 76 High Street, Dundee. However, James is not with them.

James lost his wife 15th February 1908 when they were both 54. On Janet’s death certificate their address is listed as 25 Hawkhill, Dundee.

James died 17 years later on 13th April 1925. His address is listed as 24 Mains Loan, Dundee.

Death Certificate. 13th April 1925.

Charles Buchanan Ogilvie – Great Grandfather

Birth of Charles Buchanan Ogilvie, 1st January 1898 in Dundee.

Charles Buchanan Ogilvie was born 1st January 1898, to parents, James McLaren Ogilvie, a time-served boilermaker, and Janet Ness.

They lived at 8 Cherryfield Lane, Dundee.

Cherryfield Lane, Dundee – Cherryfield Lane was a narrow avenue from Blackness Road to Walton Street, which at one time marked the western boundary of the extensive gardens that formed the nursery belonging to Mr Urquhart – hence its name.

The first census he is found on is in 1901 when is is 3 years old. He is living with his mother and siblings at 76 High Street, Dundee. Strangely, his father is not listed on the census with them.

1901 Scotland Census.

His mother died just 7 years later when he was only 10 years old, on 15th February 1908.

On 16th April 1917, when he was 17, he married Helen Boyd in Dundee.

Helen Ogilvie m.s Boyd. 1950s
Marriage Certificate of Charles Ogilvie and Helen Boyd.

When Charles was married he is listed as a contractor’s carter living at 3 William Lane. Helen is listed as living next door at 5 William Lane.

Old map of Dundee showing William Lane circled in red. It was a small lane linking Victoria Road and King Street.

Charles and Helen has many children during their marriage. I’ll list the children I have found so far – Margaret Ogilvie 10/09/1917, Helen Boyd Ogilvie 06/10/191 8, Charles Ogilvie 27/02/1920, Williamina Ogilvie 25/04/1921, Elizabeth Kane Ogilvie 22/06/1922, Hugh Boyd Ogilvie 05/02/1924, Annie Ogilvie 24/03/1925, Bernadette Murphy Ogilvie 04/03/1927, William Boyd Ogilvie 18/09/1928, and Stewart Ogilvie 11/06/1935 (my Grandfather).

Charles Ogilvie died of cancer 8th December 1942 aged 44. His address at the time was 8 Strathmore Street, Dundee. He left behind his Widow Helen and their children.

Death Certificate of Charles Buchanan Ogilvie. 8th December 1942, Dundee.

Stewart Ogilvie – Maternal Grandfather

Stewart Ogilvie with his Mother, Helen Ogilvie m.s Boyd. 1950s

Stewart was born 11th June 1935 in Dundee, to Charles Buchanan Ogilvie and Helen Boyd.

At age 23 in 1959 he met my Grandmother, Margaret Chalmers. They were married on 10th March 1959 in Dundee.

Stewart Ogilvie and Margaret Chalmers on their wedding day 10th March 1959

They had their first child, a son, Stewart, on 5th December 1959. They had their second child (my Mother), a daughter, Margaret, on 5th March 1961. They had their third and last child, another daughter, Ann on 30th August 1968.

Margaret Ogilvie m.s Chalmers and Stewart Ogilvie with their children Stewart, Margaret and Ann. 1968-69.

They lived in St Mary’s, Dundee.

100 St Kilda Road, St Mary’s, Dundee.

Sadly, I never got to know my Granddad Ogilvie, he died at home, age 39 on 27th February 1975. Leaving behind his wife and three young children.

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